On this episode, I’m interviewing PGSDer Olivia Fox, who’s so beneficiant with what she shares. Olivia walks us by way of the sensible ways in which she’s used the instruments inside PGSD to assist her enhance her enterprise income whereas having a greater work-life steadiness on the similar time.

Olivia skilled a powerful 181% enhance in income from the earlier 12 months, all whereas having fun with a greater work-life steadiness and a more healthy relationship with herself. 

This episode provides you an concept of what’s potential whenever you cease utilizing recommendation that doesn’t work in your perfectionist mind. It’s possible you’ll not realise it, however conventional productiveness strategies like to-do lists and time blocking make you procrastinate, overthink, maintain your self again, and make it tougher to maneuver previous the concern of judgment. 

There are such a lot of refined methods we will procrastinate. Olivia shares what she does in her energy planning every day to cease procrastinating, full the brave duties and end work on the time she stated she would.

In case you have brave duties you realize it is advisable to do proper now and also you’re simply not doing them, then this episode is for you. Olivia and I speak about how she will get herself to do these brave duties. We focus on the way you truly go from being somebody who intellectually understands what’s required to construct a enterprise, to being that one that feels secure sufficient emotionally to construct your small business the best way you wish to. 

Moreover, Olivia overtly shares how uncomfortable it was for her to speak about cash, not to mention take into consideration how a lot cash she was able to making and needed to make. In Olivia’s phrases “…the expansion aim and energy planning mixed, are like chef’s kiss to really feel a lot extra comfy, and like I’m not saying you’re by no means going to really feel awkward about it once more. But it surely does present a number of readability.”

I’m so obsessed with giving perfectionist entrepreneurs the instruments that assist them create a wholesome work-life steadiness, really feel secure to point out up, be seen and belief themselves all through their journey, even when issues don’t go completely. 

Discover the complete episode transcript and present notes at samlaurabrown.com/episode453.

Thanks Olivia for becoming a member of me on the podcast.

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Introduction
Hello and welcome to a different episode of The Perfectionism Mission, a podcast filled with perfectionism recommendation for entrepreneurs. My title is Sam Laura Brown, I assist entrepreneurs launch their perfectionism handbrake to allow them to get out of their very own manner and construct a satisfying and worthwhile enterprise. I’m the founding father of the Perfectionist Getting Shit Finished group teaching program, which is in any other case often called PGSD. And for much more perfectionism recommendation that will help you with your small business. You’ll be able to observe me on Instagram @perfectionismproject

Sam Laura Brown (Episode customized intro)
In in the present day’s episode, I’m interviewing PGSDer, Olivia Fox. Olivia is so beneficiant with what she shares on this episode. And in case you have been occupied with signing up for my program, perfectionist getting shit accomplished, then be sure to take heed to this interview all over, we speak about learn how to truly get your self to do brave duties. As a result of proper now you most likely have bigs you realize it is advisable to do and also you’re simply not doing them. How do you truly go from being somebody who intellectually understands what’s required to construct a enterprise, to being that one that feels secure sufficient emotionally, to do these issues. So we talked about that, we talked concerning the significance of getting a development aim if you end up energy planning, we talked about so many sensible issues on this episode, to actually show you how to perceive extra about PGSD, however to additionally simply actually provide you with an concept of what’s potential whenever you cease utilizing recommendation that doesn’t work in your perfectionist mind.

Issues love to do lists and time blocking which are making you get in your personal manner. Even whenever you don’t notice it’s making you procrastinate, it’s making you overthink, maintain your self again and actually not have the ability to transfer previous concern of judgment. I’m so obsessed with giving perfectionist entrepreneurs the instruments to truly present up and be seen and really feel assured doing that and have the ability to belief themselves all through that course of and have their very own again when it doesn’t work out completely because it inevitably does at instances. So yeah, I hope you take pleasure in this episode. Thanks once more to Olivia for sharing the whole lot that she did. She introduces herself initially of this so I gained’t give her an introduction right here. She does a implausible job of that however we’ll hyperlink up the place to search out her within the present notes. I hope you benefit from the episode.

Sam Laura Brown
Hello, Olivia, welcome to the podcast.

Olivia Fox
Thanks a lot for having me.

Sam Laura Brown
My pleasure. So do you wish to begin by telling us a bit about you and your small business?

Olivia Fox
So I’m Olivia and I launched The Resume Fox, it’s a resume creation and session enterprise. We create resumes that stand out in a recruiters crowded inbox, as a result of I used to be that busy recruiter that was sifting by way of about 100 resumes a day, and deciding which resumes made the lower. So I create resumes that may stand out and seize the eye of recruiters and hiring leaders.

Sam Laura Brown
Wonderful. And so with regards to perfectionism, which clearly we’re going to speak about, when did you notice that you’re a perfectionist?

Olivia Fox
I feel I’ve all the time identified that I used to be a perfectionist, I don’t assume that is one thing that I developed into. I undoubtedly assume that is one thing that has all the time been part of me and my core id. I did begin listening to your podcast most likely about 9 months earlier than I began PGSD. And it was like, somebody was talking on to my soul, each single… I’m certain that sounds just like the cheesiest advertising and marketing ploy it’s it’s 100% true. Each single factor that you just talked about, like self belief, self picture, the planning side, the the whole lot that went into it simply it resonated with me, I bear in mind even a handful of instances like feeling like deeply emotional about it, as a result of it actually like struck a nerve or like hit lower very deeply there.

Sam Laura Brown
Yeah. Are you aware or bear in mind precisely how perfectionism was displaying up for you and your small business? As a result of clearly, like, I talked concerning the 5 indicators of perfectionism, and there’s other ways it could actually present up. However for you, what did that appear like? And like, what issues was perfectionism inflicting for you when it got here to rising your small business?

Olivia Fox
Completely, undoubtedly noticed procrastination, for certain. I undoubtedly noticed just like the planning side, I used to jot down love to do lists, after which I’d rewrite the to do record after which I’d shade code them. After which I’d cross coordinate and proper, like, I’d do all of the issues. And I most likely was like essentially the most disorganized, organized particular person ever, like, you realize, portraying the perfectionism of oh, I’m essentially the most organized, however actually was by no means. That was undoubtedly there. The concern of judgment was there as nicely. I make this joke on a regular basis that I, once I began my enterprise, I like forgot that I must market myself, like forgot that I must truly put myself on the market. And a few folks would possibly like that, and a few folks may not. And a few folks would possibly assume that it resonates with them, and a few folks may not. So these are undoubtedly two areas that confirmed up quite a bit. And particularly with the planning as nicely.

Sam Laura Brown
Simply to talk a bit extra to concern of judgment and the concern of being seen, as a result of that is one thing that for thus a lot of our PGSDers like your self like that. And my very own story to the concern of judgment is without doubt one of the largest issues that makes us get in our personal manner. And that concern of being seen to be imperfect, and to be displaying up and placing ourselves on the market and other people saying that we’ve accomplished it fallacious, or we don’t know what we’re speaking about, or aren’t displaying up and posting, and we don’t look our greatest. And we’re not pleased with that. And all of these various things that it’s one of many largest issues, I see that so many different methods, extremely good, individuals are not in a position to truly construct their enterprise just because perfectionism is stopping them from placing themselves on the market and being seen, what did that facet of issues actually appear like for you, if you end up beginning your small business? Like some our PGSDers, for instance, they may have an concept to put up it and so they cease themselves from doing that put up and issues like that, like what was that like for you?

Olivia Fox
Sure, very a lot. Like what you stated, I’d have an concept after which assume nicely, that’s not like absolutely refined, I feel one thing that could be actually real looking is I’d take into consideration all the counter arguments to what I used to be saying, proper? Like I’m advertising and marketing my enterprise. This is smart. That is the explanation that my enterprise exists. Because of this my service is efficacious. And I used to be the one poking holes in it. Like, simply as somebody who’s probably judging my enterprise, and even simply an viewers member is poking holes, however they’re most likely not discovering the failings like I’m, proper like we’re our personal worst critic. And so I used to be developing with all of those causes as to love, nicely, that put up doesn’t make sense due to this, or this may somebody might argue this different factor and that makes my put up utterly void. I used to be nearly like enjoying satan’s advocate however in a unfavorable manner, like in an not constructive manner.

Sam Laura Brown
Yeah. After which with that, did that come off whenever you have been like launching your providers and really beginning to earn money? How did that present up for you?

Olivia Fox
Sure. Yeah, I feel with the pricing construction that got here up quite a bit as nicely, like, most likely tied extra to a self value and a self picture factor as nicely, like how do I? How do I worth issues? I’m so fearful that somebody would assume that that’s too excessive of a worth, proper? That concern that individuals wouldn’t wish to pay that and that somebody saying, Oh, your providers are too costly, is just like the worst factor that might occur. And now I acknowledge that that’s only a pure a part of being a enterprise proprietor, like, there are particular shops that I don’t store at, as a result of it’s too costly, proper? That’s not what I’d wish to pay for it. However for some motive, I held myself and my enterprise to this utterly unrealistic customary, that I’ve to have a worth that matches each single particular person’s wants.

Sam Laura Brown
Yeah, pricing is without doubt one of the issues we speak about quite a bit in PGSD not significantly from a strategic viewpoint. However the mindset facet of issues is so vital that so many perfectionist have a tendency to actually both like utterly underneath cost, in order that we will please everybody and that nobody’s ever gonna say, Effectively, who do you assume you’re charging that a lot? Or like utterly overcharge this occurs quite a bit much less however in order that like, we can’t even have to actually have interaction absolutely in promoting or identical to, oh, nicely, it’s most likely as a result of my worth is simply too excessive. However actually, with regards to the pricing and area of interest, and so many selections like that, that perfectionist actually get caught on like making an attempt to determine what the proper reply is, and get misplaced in all that procrasti-research and all of that sort of factor as nicely. So what made you join PGSD? Like, what was that journey like for you?

Olivia Fox
Completely. So like I stated, I’d been listening to the podcast for most likely about 9 months earlier than I joined. And I began implementing a number of the issues that I heard you say on the podcast and out about like six months, and I had my greatest month but. After which I did it once more. After which I did it once more. And I assumed to myself if I can get these, my greatest months ever, from listening to her podcast, what sort of potential might I unlock? Like? How might I get out of my very own far more by becoming a member of PGSD?

Sam Laura Brown
And did you’ve any doubts or hesitations? Or like, what was that like? As a result of I do know lots of people occupied with it. And for somebody who’s listening to this and occupied with it. There’s a number of ideas that may cowl up about like, will I truly observe by way of on that, as a result of I don’t actually belief myself. I’ve join issues earlier than and I haven’t accomplished it. Effectively I’ve sufficient time. And naturally, like once we’re in that perfectionist mindset and our perfectionism handbrake is on, we’re getting in our personal manner, we’re not utilizing our time correctly. So it appears like okay, however how am I truly even going to search out the time for it and all of that. So for you what did that sound like whenever you have been occupied with signing up?

Olivia Fox
I made the acutely aware resolution to go all in on it. And to cease signing up for 1,000,000 totally different free webinars and all the you realize, I’d, I felt like that was my actual job not being a resume author, however signing up without cost webinars and listening to so many various skilled growth, enterprise growth, podcasts and webinars. And I made the acutely aware resolution, like I’m gonna go all in there’s a monetary funding. Proper? And so it was like, I’m gonna go all in on this and actually concentrate on it. Yeah.

Sam Laura Brown
Yeah, I like that. And what in simply out of your perspective, as he stated, like he acquired outcomes, listening to the podcast, and your considered it was, that’s a motive to enroll. And a few folks will get wonderful outcomes from the podcast. And they’re going to, that’s a motive why I don’t want PGSD. And so many people perfectionist have been like, nicely, I ought to have the ability to determine it out alone. And like, I ought to have the ability to simply take that and actually apply it and expertise that’s sort of like I’d solely want to enroll, if I used to be actually combating it. And never truly actually seeing that, like I like speaking about like, Good to Nice which you could have actually good outcomes from listening to the podcast. However that subsequent stage comes from doing the phrase being dedicated. And clearly different issues which are inside PGSD that simply don’t make sense to have in a podcast format. However for you, what was that distinction like between going from being a podcast listener to being inside PGSD?

Olivia Fox
By listening to the podcast, so you could possibly undoubtedly piece collectively a number of what you’re speaking about, proper? And what’s seen in PGSD, the underlying like with perfectionism, the 5 indicators however then additionally the underlying themes, like self value, self picture, self belief, all of these issues. And by becoming a member of PGSD, all of it comes collectively. It’s like there’s a reasonably little bow on prime and it’s it’s very organized and guided very nicely, which is smart to my mind, proper prefer it actually it simply made it simpler for me as a result of I felt like I used to be continuously going again by way of the podcast and looking for issues. One thing that basically resonated nicely, and that is extra simply from like a mindset shift and reflection by way of PGSD is is the self value and like investing in myself and realizing that I’m worthy. And that is an funding. Yeah, it’s a monetary dedication, however that I’m investing in myself.

And I relate that again to my enterprise as a result of I, my service is one thing that my purchasers oftentimes come to me pondering like, I’ve by no means employed a resume author, I by no means thought it will be to rent a resume author, I don’t really feel that I’m worthy. And lots of people are in a really unlucky state of affairs the place they’re feeling a scarcity of self esteem, and so they’re feeling caught. And whenever you’re speaking a couple of job, the livelihood like the way you earn money, that it’s very intense and deeply private. And it’s it’s so attention-grabbing to me that I didn’t see this earlier than. However having been in PGSD, me investing in myself is strictly what I’m asking my purchasers to do. And by investing in myself, seeing how the enterprise has grown and the way I’ve discovered a lot, personally, it I hope that that’s replicated by way of my purchasers. But additionally it’s it’s only a cool expertise that to see that come to fruition.

Sam Laura Brown
Yeah, thanks for sharing that. And might we discuss extra concerning the planning facet? Clearly, I like speaking about that. However you talked about concerning the to do lists, and all of that, which I’m certain everybody has skilled. Or perhaps it’s with whiteboards and put up it notes or various things. However yeah, we love simply frying to love, get all of it collectively, after which having to do this again and again, and all of that sort of factor. However what did that appear like for you? As a result of clearly, it’s totally different now that you just’re planning and doing all of that. However earlier than PGSD, might you go extra into like, the productiveness facet of issues? And like the way you have been displaying up? Like, what did that appear like, each day?

Olivia Fox
Completely. I discussed just like the to do record and feeling like essentially the most disorganized, organized particular person ever. With that, I’d work eight to 14 hours a day. I imply, there have been some days, I used to be working ridiculous hours. And on the finish of the day, I felt like I climbed a mountain, I used to be exhausted. However I felt like I nonetheless had a mountain left to go. And like I couldn’t relaxation as a result of that mountain was nonetheless there. Versus now with planning. I’m occupied with my day and occupied with my week, and even how that performs into like, the month and the 12 months, proper and my, my, my strategic targets and all that. And I’m planning a lot butter, nevertheless it’s additionally an of the second factor on the finish of the day, I’m like happy or at the least like feeling such as you stated good versus nice. Like I’m at the least feeling good. I don’t assume previous to planning, planning this manner I ever felt good about my day, I simply would beat myself up.

There’s a lot extra that I may very well be getting accomplished. And nicely, I imply, I acquired all of these issues accomplished. Truthfully, I don’t even assume I’d concentrate on that as a lot. I wouldn’t even give myself the acknowledgement of have a look at all of the issues that you just did say it was simply have a look at this mountain that you just nonetheless have left to climb and feeling so like unfinished and unresolved nearly on the finish of each single day, not simply on the finish of the week or the tip of the month whenever you’re like taking a look at these milestones, like, actually on the finish of each single day simply feeling defeated and exhausted, like actually.

Sam Laura Brown
Yeah, did you’ve the sensation of momentum in any respect? As a result of that is the factor that I feel like we speak about how we love feeling motivated and like all of that. However I feel actually, perfectionists love that feeling of momentum. And I do know for me in my very own journey and expertise that. I feel it was 2016. So for me three years after I began my enterprise, that I truly felt like I had this momentum like I had the wind behind my again. I wasn’t having to love push the whole lot uphill anymore that I used to be truly displaying up and the issues that I’d was doing with my time have been truly beginning to repay for me. I used to be getting e mail subscribers, I used to be writing weblog posts, like all these various things. I launched my course I began earning profits from that. However till then I simply felt like and I labored the longest hours in these first three years on the facet of college and work hated the whole lot like that, however I simply didn’t have that feeling of momentum. And I simply actually needed that so badly. Like did you’ve that in any respect, like perhaps had glimmers of it? What was that like for you?

Olivia Fox
Bursts of power bursts of momentum adopted in a short time by perhaps fast however oftentimes very lengthy durations of burnout. Like oh my gosh, I’ve been like pushing this boulder up the mountain. And I’m exhausted I want a break. And yeah, that that was not identical to, oh each couple of weeks I want a vacation like I want a break. It was like each couple of days it’s addressing and listening to your podcast, you’d give a number of like particular examples of like scrolling by way of Instagram and pondering that that’s actually productive as a result of I’m quote unquote getting concepts or stepping into impressed or no matter, like seeing what different individuals are doing would actually I used to be identical to, not working. And we’re utilizing that to procrastinate, proper?

Such as you’ve given a number of different actually good examples, the rewriting to do lists for certain. Like I’d be like, Effectively, I don’t actually know what to do, I do know that I nonetheless have this mountain left to climb. However I don’t have any option to like break up the mountain into mile one mile two mile three, it was identical to, I’ve this mountain to climb. And so then I would love rewrite the to do record or discover different methods to love, busy work and procrastinate. One factor would possibly bookkeeping, oh my gosh, I’d identical to arrange a receipt. Like that sounds just like the stupidest factor ever. However I would love arrange receipts and look by way of all the fees and like inform myself that that was actually strategic and that I you realize, was some I used to be the kind of enterprise proprietor who was actually, like intimately concerned in my the cash and the monetary facet of my enterprise, when actually I used to be simply utilizing that to procrastinate. Doing difficult and impactful issues in my enterprise.

Sam Laura Brown
Yeah. So what for you when it got here to listening to about energy planning me speaking about it, clearly, within the podcast, and that sort of factor. What appealed to you about beginning to take a special method, as a result of I do know, we are inclined to like to do lists, like I nonetheless, I like a to do lists, it simply appears like organic, to a point like that. Satisfaction to jot down it out to do record, however what made you concentrate on palpating being an possibility that you just’re prepared to attempt?

Olivia Fox
I feel the burnout acquired so intense, like actually, it felt crippling, like I couldn’t proceed with out having some type of revitalization, some new manner of doing what I assumed was nice, however knew wasn’t working. Proper. It simply, I knew that that wasn’t going to get there. I don’t assume I considered this within the second. However seeing it now, having energy planning along with the expansion aim is large for me, like realizing that I’m working in direction of one thing that’s particularly associated to the expansion targets associated to income, realizing that I’m planning in a manner that may help my income and can drive income, the every of them independently, the facility planning and the expansion aim are monumental, proper, like they’re large in my enterprise. However whenever you couldn’t purchase them, I simply that has actually reworked the final. I don’t even assume I’ve been in PGSD for six months at this level what it’s been like, yeah, not even we’re 5 months. Yeah.

So it simply feels actually transformative to have these two issues collectively. It’s not solely a mindset shift, however the brach the sensible utility by way of energy planning. I feel additionally with a number of like, different planning recommendation that I had gotten or had applied like give you myself. It felt like, Oh, these are common concepts, or mine ought to that shift. So there’s one thing I might attempt. And it simply felt so like, obscure, nearly whereas energy planning, it feels tangible. Prefer it’s legit, it is smart. It’s a step-by-step course of. And I’m a really course of oriented particular person. In order that works for my mind. I feel that’s a distinction to love, applications or like free webinars and issues that I’ve joined. It’s like, oh, that is this concept. However there’s not like a step-by-step option to do issues. And the facility planning to me feels very course of oriented, after which provides me the facility and the concepts to rework the opposite areas of my enterprise, not such as you’re writing my marketing strategy for me, proper, like I’m doing that. However the energy planning provides me the instrument to really feel extra empowered to jot down the marketing strategy.

Sam Laura Brown
Yeah, and with the expansion aim and assist and I like that you just talked about that as a result of the explanation now we have you set your development aim earlier than beginning energy planning and that I’m so adamant about having a development aim earlier than beginning energy planning is as a result of it is advisable to have route in your planning for what you’re doing. As a result of so many people now we have such obscure targets when our perfectionism handbrake is on as a result of we’re so fearful of disappointing ourselves and failing. And we don’t really need to have the ability to measure if we’re profitable or not as a lot as we do actually wish to achieve success, that whenever you truly set a aim for your self, and one which does invite you to develop and step into that subsequent model of your self. Then with regards to determining, okay, what’s, as you stated, like essentially the most impactful factor I can do, and possibly as nicely, it’s going to be a difficult factor to do. What does that truly appear like? And it’s once we’re struggling to determine our priorities and like, the place I even put my time? And is it even going to make a distinction?

It’s actually because we don’t actually have a aim to anchor us and to assist us work out these issues that we have to work out after which we will confidently say, Okay, nicely, that is my aim, and that is my speculation as to how I’m going to get there. And as you stated, I don’t write that for you. I don’t say, Okay, right here’s the subsequent step. And that’s as a result of I wish to educate you And everybody, how to have the ability to depend on your self. And in addition, like your self, so many individuals, nearly all people comes into PGSD already has a wealth of information about all of that technique from different applications they’re in from webinars or various things like that, like we love studying. And so it’s actually nearly having a course of with the expansion aim and with energy planning, that means that you can truly convey that every one collectively and like pull out your personal knowledge and belief it sufficient to then start taking these steps and really having the braveness to point out up and put your self on the market and do these issues.

So I like that you just talked about that as a result of because the coach, that’s my intention for certain that that development aim is actually there to anchor you and have energy planning be the most effective instrument that it may be. And it’s actually been my reply for myself initially, at first, it’s like, okay, I, once I’m desirous to do issues completely, and by no means do something imperfectly, and like all of that, and I’m all I’m left with is like these mantras about like, accomplished is healthier than good. Like, I can’t truly like, I like a course of. And I want to love have one thing to actually wrap my thoughts round it and like, see how I’m spending my time however not on this like, actually judgy manner, however only a compassionate system to have the ability to handle myself and my time, in order that I can present up and do the issues.

And so it’s actually so vital for anybody who’s occupied with energy planning to know like, clearly, it helps with productiveness, nevertheless it’s a extremely an enormous a part of it, I’d like to ask you about this is rather like getting your perfectionist mindset in your facet and actually calming your perfectionist mind down. In order that these difficult issues don’t really feel as huge and scary as they do. And we do exactly have that like mile lengthy to do record. And we discover ourselves pushing off the like going dwell on Instagram or no matter that appears like like creating the product and launching it as a result of it doesn’t really feel good sufficient but. I must be busy doing these different issues first earlier than I’m prepared and getting our geese in a row. So might you converse a bit to with energy planning particularly, how that has helped you truly do the difficult issues it is advisable to do since you got here in realizing what they have been. However you weren’t doing them in the best way that you really want it to be? So what did that, shift appear like for you?

Olivia Fox
Yeah, a number of it’s undoubtedly rooted in self belief. I feel that’s one thing like vital to notice. I feel the opposite a part of it’s, like rooted in a combo of like procrastination and burnout and the way that that manifests there. It felt like I wanted to shut the enterprise for every week in order that I might have time to work on the mission, proper? Like we use the time period quite a bit like like go to a cabin within the woods, proper and like work on these initiatives. And whereas that might be nice. I don’t assume I wish to go work at a cabin within the woods, I wish to go have a trip within the cabin within the woods. So I feel trying the best way that energy planning helps me is audit two issues, beginning with my brave activity first, each single day like I do know what these brave duties are, and breaking them down in order that I can begin with them each single day. That’s what works for me that’s perhaps not what works however different folks. However I usually like get to my desk journal for just a little bit after which I’m like, I’m going to do the brave activity that factor that like actually fights for that concern of judgment that like challenges that and makes me really feel just a little bit uneasy, however that I do know will drive the enterprise and particularly will will drive that that development aim.

And as an alternative of pondering of it as this factor that I must do, and in a single sitting like I must spend all day or the subsequent three days, the subsequent week doing this one factor, no, I’m going to do it for half-hour each morning, or some days, it’s going to be two hours or one hour, nonetheless, I made a decision to interrupt it up. However doing it each single day, I feel relating it very very like, hey, I wish to be an individual who’s bodily stronger, I’m gonna go to a 3 day workshop and simply develop into stronger, proper? Like, no, you’re gonna go to the fitness center, or Pilates or wherever you go a number of instances every week, so to construct up these muscle groups regularly over time, you’re not simply going to love snap your fingers, and magically, it’s going to occur, proper? Or do it for 3 days, after which your muscle groups are going to develop, you’re going to do it progressively and repeatedly, over time and construct upon these abilities. And one thing else that I’ve realized and that I proceed to work on and shift my mindset round is one thing that used to really feel so brave and so scary to me, like, one thing I’m engaged on proper now could be automating my processes.

And I used to be like, Oh my gosh, my CRM scares the shit out of me. Like what if I press one fallacious button, and everybody will get you realize, press a button, shut, like I don’t know, I give you these these random, horrible issues. In my thoughts, I don’t know the way I acquired there. However I used to be so like, scared to tinker with these issues. And now like one thing that used to take me three hours to love play with this one factor now would possibly take me half-hour or 10 minutes, and I actually we’ll block an hour for it. And it takes me 10 minutes. And that’s one thing that’s such a cool realization, and in addition, you say this quite a bit in PGSD. Like, I understand how to jot down resumes, I don’t essentially know learn how to function a enterprise, I’ve to love, strengthen these muscle groups and learn to, to construct these abilities. And also you don’t simply say that, proper? Like, you’re not saying it’s not true. Like, that’s truly true. I’m like instructing myself progressively by implementing this on a weekly foundation on a month-to-month foundation each day to strengthen these muscle groups, the enterprise proprietor muscle groups, the automation, the eradicating the concern that I’m going to press the fallacious button, proper, like, I’m flexing all of these muscle groups and rising them over time.

Sam Laura Brown
That’s such an vital level, I’m so glad that you just talked about that. As a result of that distinction of the talent set that you’ve got. And for many entrepreneurs, it’s like this, the talent set of no matter it’s you do. So for instance, for myself being a coach for you writing resumes. And so we expect, nicely, if I’m adequate at that, I ought to simply have the ability to have a profitable enterprise. And if I don’t, meaning I’m not good at. So for instance, in my case, if I don’t have a profitable enterprise, meaning I’m not an excellent coach. And it’s so attention-grabbing to identical to actually pull that aside. And that is a part of attending to the expansion mindset is knowing this manner that there’s the teaching abilities that I’ve. And there’s a enterprise entrepreneurship talent set that I’ve. And to not confuse the 2 or to have a way of entitlement. Effectively, I’m good at this one factor, so I ought to be good on the different simply to see, I’m constructing my enterprise abilities.

And in addition, I’ve my teaching talent set, which I’m persevering with to construct. But it surely’s not just like the outcomes of my enterprise is a choose on whether or not I’m adequate as a coach. And so once we can actually separate that out and simply see like, I’m turning into extra expert at enterprise, we will even have an entry to braveness to do these issues like tinkering within the CRM, and like truly understanding it versus pondering like, oh, I shouldn’t should even do that, or like all these totally different ideas that come up, when now we have a way of entitlement from being good on the service or the product. And simply recognizing like, Yeah, however we’re additionally constructing a talent set of enterprise. And for lots of us, like nobody has taught us that instantly, such as you be taught it by doing it. And that alone for a perfectionist actually requires a number of braveness and vulnerability as a result of we choose to go to highschool, sit in a classroom, you realize, identical to be studying all of it intellectually, however in enterprise, you be taught by doing it. And your examination is basically just like the outcomes you’re getting again. And there’s all of that psychological drama that may include that as nicely.

So I like that you just talked about that. And I’d love additionally to ask you, whenever you say like doing essentially the most brave activity within the morning. First, and this isn’t one thing we particularly say, with energy planning is actually about serving to you determine what’s going that will help you to truly take motion. So for some folks, they’ve a sluggish morning and construct to that factor for others like me such as you as nicely choose to do this factor earlier within the morning and sort of get it out of the best way and try this. So it’s actually discovering what works for you. However would you converse particularly to the way you truly get your self to do this factor? As a result of somebody listening could be pondering, Okay, I’ve already accomplished that earlier than. I’ve had the plan to do the brave factor first. And clearly there’s like totally different elements of occurring. We haven’t spoken about like clear relaxation and buffer time and all of this stuff that basically help you to truly do brave issues.

However then the time comes, and so they have this impressed concept about one thing else, or they’re hungry, and they should go to the kitchen or like one thing comes up, or they distract themselves someway, as a result of they’re fearful of doing the factor and succeeding or doing this factor and failing for you. And in the event you would thoughts sharing a selected instance of this for you consider one, like, how do you truly get your self to do this factor, as a result of simply because you realize, it’s going to be scary or difficult, doesn’t imply it’s much less scary or difficult, like, it nonetheless goes to be laborious. So what’s your self discuss in that second appear like?

Olivia Fox
I really feel like there’s so many solutions I might give right here. So I’m making an attempt to get cuz the all of it goes collectively, proper? If you begin energy planning, it truly is that like 25, puzzle items, click on collectively to make it occur. And I’m not simply saying that like, that’s truly how I really feel like, for me, if I’m going to do a brave activity, I’m going so as to add in further buffer time afterwards, in order that I might go reward myself with like, a stroll across the block, or like hanging out with my canine or like doing one thing they’re like, Yeah, you figured it out. And or perhaps it wasn’t as sophisticated as you thought, yay for you, proper? And celebrating these issues alongside the best way. That’s one factor. I can converse just a little bit too. I feel generally there’s issues that we have to do in our enterprise, like we simply don’t wish to do, proper. Like I don’t, I don’t wish to analyze my bookkeeping, that’s actually boring to me, proper? Or, like, I don’t wish to do the Instagram posts that I’ve been like laying aside. And perhaps I can attribute that to concern of judgment, perhaps I can’t, or perhaps I’m identical to, I don’t wish to write a put up about it.

However I do know that I want to jot down. I feel padding it with various things is actually useful, but additionally breaking it up. And like taking a look at it forward of time, if it’s on my calendar. And in my energy planning, it’s as a result of I’ve recognized that it’s one thing that’s going to develop the enterprise, proper, like it’s one thing that’s going to drive income. And one thing that’s actually that I develop into extra attuned to is, if I hold transferring the duty a each day to each day, I must or week to week, proper? Generally that occurs do I want to research like, why? Proper? And am I do I really feel like I’m inadequate? Like I don’t have the sources? Or is that like a self value factor that is occurring, proper? Is it that I simply don’t wish to do it proper, just like the bookkeeping?

Like, generally we’re adults, now we have to do issues that we don’t wish to do, and I simply don’t wish to do it, proper? Is it that I don’t really feel like I’ve sufficient clear relaxation in in my schedule and feeling like I want extra of that. And so I hold placing this time without work in order that I can you realize, spend further time doing XYZ that I wish to do. I feel I want I had like one particular instance. However I feel it’s like an like, if I hold transferring one thing I must do a deep dive into like, why am I transferring that? As a result of generally additionally, the reply may very well be one of many issues that I stated or like, perhaps this actually doesn’t matter. Like I assumed that it actually mattered in my enterprise. I’m taking a look at it now. And I’m like, why like, does that basically matter? Is that truly going to return to the expansion aim?

Sam Laura Brown
Yeah, what I’m listening to you say as nicely is, finally it’s that self research. And in energy planning, now we have the third step being the weekly evaluate. Currently in my energy planning, I name that I write it in my calendar as weekly self research. As a result of that’s actually what I’m doing. I’m trying on the screenshot from once I completed my energy planning or my Energy Hour initially of the week, after which my calendar now and searching on the variations and actually simply being inquisitive about, okay, what’s the similar and what works nicely, and what modified. And that was one thing working prefer it’s not that one thing modified, meaning oh we should always have stored the plan the identical. And that’s the place now we have the second set the little tweaks to acknowledge that generally we get higher info as we go. We underestimate overestimate how lengthy duties take and all of that.

So there shall be a change between the calendar initially of the tip. And actually diving into these variations. And never having to know all of it. However simply selecting like one particular factor about okay, I see this was on my calendar, the start of the week, after which it didn’t get accomplished. It’s not on my calendar in any respect. What’s that about? And getting inquisitive about that for you earlier than energy planning, what did that facet of issues appear like? As a result of typically we don’t have, particularly once we’re working from a to do record or say even like time blocking and issues like that. There’s probably not this sort of self research that goes together with it. It’s simply the beating ourselves up for not doing it or like falling off the load. Like there’s a sort of that dramatic facet of it. And a number of stopping and beginning and all of that the guilt journeys for not being productive sufficient. Did you’ve any sort of like apply for taking a look at why you procrastinate on issues or like spending on a regular basis organizing receipts and issues like that, or is that one thing that energy planning has actually allowed you to start doing?

Olivia Fox
Yeah, the latter I had no, not no self consciousness, however like little or no self consciousness. It’s like I didn’t take the time to evaluate what was occurring with like, make up random excuses or play detective. And I wasn’t an excellent detective, like I wasn’t developing with the precise motive as to why I wasn’t getting issues accomplished. I feel one different factor that could be like extra of a sensible utility is the duties that I used to be placing on my calendar. Like earlier than or on my to do record earlier than I began energy planning was like, revitalized advertising and marketing technique wasn’t on me. And like that, that’s so safe, we’re not getting particular. And I don’t even know what that’s presupposed to be. So I’m simply going to do one thing else. I don’t even know the place to begin. And now it’s like breaking down every activity and getting it as particular as potential. And that’s the place I nonetheless get my, you realize, little love and thrill of to do lists is like by breaking that down and actually writing it out. And that does assist quite a bit.

Sam Laura Brown
Yeah, and does your mind as a result of my mind nonetheless does this, sayi that you just don’t have time to do this. And that you just simply want to love begin working? Or the place are you at with regards to that? Do you’ve resistance to doing all your energy hour into breaking down? The like revitalize advertising and marketing technique sort of activity into chunks? Or do you discover that, like, it’s straightforward to get your mind on board that okay, we’re going to do that and put it within the calendar. What does that appear like for you?

Olivia Fox
Yeah, I feel that’s one thing I’m nonetheless working by way of. Generally I consider my Energy Hour is only a sport of Tetris. What number of issues can I match into this week into this finite quantity of hours? And pre energy planning, it will be like, Oh, nicely, like, I’m not going to have dinner that evening, or I’m not going to go for my stroll, I’m not going to go to my exercise class or have my clear relaxation, proper? I’m simply going to love fill all the time with work. And recognizing now that that that’s not one thing that aligns with my private targets, or my enterprise targets. I feel what I’m nonetheless working by way of is like making an attempt, like generally it does nonetheless really feel like a sport of Tetris. And generally it’s much less concerning the technique and extra about like, that is the shit that I’ve to get accomplished this week, proper? Like that is that is my to do record and it has to get accomplished. Generally it’s not as a lot because the like enjoyable enterprise growth advertising and marketing stuff. It’s like, oh, no, that is just like the work that I’ve to get accomplished in my enterprise. And that’s undoubtedly nonetheless one thing to be like working by way of.

Sam Laura Brown
Would you thoughts sharing a bit extra concerning the burnout, work life steadiness facet of issues as nicely, since you talked about that beforehand earlier than energy planning in PGSD that the very first thing to go can be dinner or understanding. And I do know that my mind loves to do this too. Like, if I’m like, I don’t have sufficient time, I ought to identical to take away the whole lot that truly makes my life gratifying and sustainable and retains me match and wholesome and all of that. So with regards to you talked about bene Elia, and that work life steadiness in taking good care of your self, what has that regarded like for you with regards to having your small business? I feel you shared with me earlier than we began recording, such as you had 180% enhance. What was that stat, do you thoughts sharing?

Olivia Fox
Yeah. And so this previous 12 months in 2023, I had 181% enhance in income from the earlier 12 months. And sure, I did obtain that with such a greater work life steadiness such a extra actually productive and wholesome relationship with myself, like holistically. A sensible utility is once I’m energy planning, I put that in first, like my dinner, my lunch, the like, the stroll that I take within the afternoons, and one thing that was felt like tremendous uncomfortable to me was like, you cease at 5 or no matter time like making up a time I finished working at 5 o’clock. And even when the the duty is half accomplished, and that’s so uncomfortable to me nonetheless, prefer it feels so unusual.

However after doing this for a month, it it actually impacts a lot deeper than simply stopping at 5 in order that I don’t eat dinner at eight o’clock at evening or like goof up in order that I truly eat dinner proper. It’s a lot greater than that. It’s just like the self belief that I’m constructing and persevering with to foster it’s just like the picture of myself. It’s the tales that I inform myself about myself. Like I’m the kind of one that prioritizes my well being and nicely being whereas I work in direction of my targets. And it goes a lot deeper than like, oh, I stated I used to be going to be accomplished at 5 I’m going to be accomplished it 5 and like even being uncomfortable with stopping the duty. Midway by way of. It goes a lot deeper than that. Yeah, their feeling like burnt, like the sensation of burnout. It’s really easy to perpetuate that proper prefer it simply retains going since you simply hold working extra. Yeah.

Sam Laura Brown
Yeah, it’s like, as you already know, I like love, love, love. I quote touchdown the aircraft however like deciding when you’ll end your day and like there may be nothing extra satisfying to me, then saying, I’ll end up for me for the time being. 430. And at 430 on the dot, my laptop computer is closed my, like, there’s not muddle in all places. Like I’ve simply, I’ve had time to wrap up my day, shut a laptop computer, I stroll out of the room precisely once I stated I’d. And I do know that brings up a lot concern for perfectionist. And in addition this concept of like, nicely, I like working, once I’m impressed, I wish to simply hold working and dealing and dealing. I like what I do. So like, I actually simply wish to capitalize on that there are such a lot of totally different ways in which we costume it up. However finally, as you stated, in the event you say I’ll end it 5, and then you definately don’t, you possibly can’t belief your self, you possibly can’t depend on your self.

And one of many different causes I like it is as a result of if you end up prepared to say I’m ending at 5, even when that activity is half completed, which regularly and we don’t even notice it when another person is concerned. Like if now we have dinner plans with another person, we’re prepared to do this, however not when now we have plans with ourselves. However in the event you’re prepared to say, I’m gonna end at 5, then as an alternative of us procrastinating as a result of we will all the time do it later. It’s now like, Okay, nicely there’s a consequence, if I spend in the present day scrolling Instagram, as a result of that factor actually isn’t gonna get accomplished. And that’s that like burnout once we are simply actually strolling from this place of inadequacy and being scared to point out up and put ourselves on the market. So throughout our precise work time, we simply procrastinate after which like, okay, now I’ve the stress. So now I will be productive. And now I like don’t have any alternative however to do the factor.

After which so we get ourselves to do a bit it’s at such a excessive value as a result of we will’t belief or depend on ourselves. And that makes it so laborious to make enterprise selections. Like there’s so many different impacts, as you stated, in the event you can’t belief your self to even end on the time, you stated you’d end? Or do what you stated you’d do, then how are you going to belief your self to decide about different issues like pricing or area of interest or all of that in the event you can’t belief your self with one thing so small and primary. So I like that you just talked about the self belief facet of it and the way energy planning is actually designed to assist perfectionist construct self belief, as a result of when now we have that, then we’re in a position to actually help ourselves and belief ourselves. If we put ourselves on the market, and we present up and we get criticism, or we are saying one thing fallacious, I’ll help myself and I’ll have my very own again. And I can belief myself to do this.

And I can belief myself to be there for myself or to get the assistance that I want or, you realize, discuss to the pal or all of the issues like I can truly belief that future me will maintain me. However once we’re not pondering that once we assume future me goes to be my like beat me up and never doing it completely and all of that it’s so laborious to do the brave factor. So thanks a lot for sharing that. There’s a lot extra I wish to discuss to you about however, I additionally wish to actually respect your time. And the way lengthy we stated this interview can be for Is there something that you just wish to point out earlier than we wrap up, and we’ll additionally speak about the place folks can discover you, and all of that. But when somebody is listening to this, and so they’re occupied with signing up for PGSD, about doing Energy planning about like actually truly getting shit accomplished with out burning out of their enterprise and turning issues round? Is there something that you’d say to that one that’s sort of like on the fence about it and, perhaps they’ve been for some time now perhaps they’ve simply heard about it. However what would you say to that particular person?

Olivia Fox
It’s an incredible query. I’ll converse just a little bit extra truly, to the expansion aim, as a result of that was one thing I’ve been I’ve been occupied with just a little bit, I feel one thing previous to becoming a member of PGSD, I used to be tremendous nervous to set that development aim like that is how a lot cash I wish to make and my enterprise. And having accomplished that by way of the Progress Objective and realizing that that’s my like Northstar, my guiding mild. It guides it actually does information each resolution that I make in my enterprise. And as somebody who was beforehand like, No, I don’t wish to speak about cash, like I’m on this enterprise to assist folks or I wish to do that as a result of it is smart. And like I wish to do that as a result of I’m an excellent particular person, I wish to assist folks. Sure, that’s nonetheless true. However you will be each of these issues. You is usually a one that needs to assist folks and needs to have a enterprise and needs to have a enterprise that makes cash.

One other like a sensible manner that that confirmed up for me like a like a tangible manner is I used to have a look at each single metric that I presumably might have. I used to have a look at like e mail, open charges, click on charges, like views on social media, like all of those various things in an effort to measure my success. And people issues I’m not saying like you possibly can’t have a look at these issues. And perhaps there’s a pair a handful of metrics that you just nonetheless wish to have a look at. However realizing that the expansion aim is the guiding mild and particularly coming from somebody who that was beforehand actually uncomfortable for prefer it was actually uncomfortable for me to speak about income it was actually uncomfortable for me to consider how a lot cash I, A thought was real looking for the enterprise to make and B thought I used to be able to making and, C, like actually what I needed to make proper like these three numbers perhaps are very totally different. Possibly they’re the identical as somebody who used to really feel a number of like a insecurity round that and like, stress and like identical to awkwardness generally, in the event you’re feeling that manner, the expansion aim and energy planning mixed, are like chef’s kiss to really feel a lot extra comfy. And like, I’m not saying you’re by no means going to really feel awkward about it once more. But it surely does present a number of readability.

Sam Laura Brown
Wonderful. Thanks a lot for sharing that we didn’t even get to speak about, just like the PGSD discussion board, the teaching calls all of that apart the personal podcast, however I like that you just spoke to the expansion aim and energy planning as a result of that basically is like, I’m so obsessed with giving perfectionist entrepreneurs, the instruments to have the ability to construct their enterprise, and finally, most likely not good enterprise. However finally I wish to have my purchasers have the ability to be independent and to have the ability to information themselves by way of constructing their companies and thru the ups and downs and never should depend on Okay, nicely, is there a training name time proper once I want it, or all these various things that you’ve got the instruments you want, and naturally, you’ve the help as nicely. However finally, these instruments are catered in your perfectionist mind that will help you get shit accomplished with out burning out. So thanks a lot, Olivia, for sharing the whole lot that you just shared in the event you’ve been so beneficiant with the whole lot, and do you wish to share if folks both most likely themselves they don’t want to jot down a resume nerd entrepreneur, however perhaps they’ve somebody of their lives. Who was a resume written for them or any of your different providers? The place can they discover out extra about you?

Olivia Fox
Completely. Theresumefox.com. Additionally on Instagram and LinkedIn and Fb @theresumeFox.

Sam Laura Brown
Good. We’ll hyperlink that up within the present notes. Thanks a lot, Olivia and I’ll discuss to everybody within the subsequent episode.

Outro
I hope you loved that interview with PGSDer, Olivia Fox, and I’m so grateful for the whole lot that Olivia shared in that episode, as a result of it’s simply such a testomony to what’s potential with regards to your income for your small business, but additionally in your private life as nicely. When you find yourself doing that work in your perfectionism to launch your perfectionism handbrake, so to present up persistently and confidently put your self on the market and try this with out burning your self out or freaking your self out. So PGSD is presently open for enrollment, however the doorways are closing at 11:59pm New York time on the twenty first of March. So to search out out extra about this system and enroll in the present day, you possibly can go to samlaurabrown.com/pgsd.